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GamerGate - Anti-GamerGate nonsense BTFO

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11-06-2014, 10:23 PM #847 Plante eOriginally Posted by Sanderw It has some fair analysis, but it misses the point of the criticism of GamerGate (the point isn't "everyone in GamerGate is evil" it's "this movement has the net effect of being a harassment machine because of its structure and targets") and gets too many simple facts wrong Half-way Through My Half-life side is Ah, so you're the final arbiter of what the point of why didn't you say so sooner? I mean, for a minute there I thought #BringBackBullying was the point. Phew! Although you should probably watch out when saying so or people will start making memes saying "Actually, it's about the net effect of the movement" to mock you your 1011_ eOriginally Posted by Sanderw Join Date: Location: Posts: Total It's structural analysis is largely fair, but it repeats many of the same myths that keep reinforcing the narrative that GamerGate started out of just basically benevolent origins -it focuses on what Zoe did to Eron Gjoni, which is not the point of criticism for GamerGate, which is the way in which that turned into a witch hunt based on complete b-------. There's a massive difference "Hey this woman was emotionally abusive to me" and "this woman is corrupting the games industry!" -the concern for Gjoni is an ad-hoc rationalization, rather than a reflection of the structure of the early movement-as reflected in the fact that "Zoe Quinn is emotionally abusive in personal relationship" doesnt make any list of concerns at any point. And that kind of poisons the entire post, because you see that mistreatment of the simple facts fairly continually. Nov 2007 3,217 0 To quote: I'm mostly writing this in a vacuum or as a reflection to anti-GG Did you miss the numerous times it was stated that it is primarly a social justice focused piece because the author is not involved in GG but social justice? Or the part where the author expresses regret at the hypocritical actions done in the name of social justice? And how doing so sends neutral observers straight into the arms of bat-s--- MRAs? You know, that thing that has demonstrably happened? One might even suggest it is 'the net effect of the movement. You think if there had been an effort to engage rather than vilify and shame then tards like KingefPet (EDIT: SargonofAkkad) would have even half their current audience? Whether GG gave a s--- about Gjoni early on (or even does now) is irrelevant because that's not the focus of the piece eOriginally Posted by Sanderw Like the structural separation of the Troll Cloud from GamerGate as a whole, when that ignores how the structural focus of GamerGate facilitates and creates space for that harassment by the misogynistic rhetoric of many of its prominent members, by the way the tone and targets are set, by the way it and that many of the most prominent members actually engage in that harassment, and by the way that GamerGate cannot disown the Troll Cloud because of its own structure and origins. And by labeling them the "Troll Cloud" he obfuscates the simple point that much of the harassment, and much of the misogynistic rhetoric is not actually trolling. It is not people being disingenuous and just stirring up s---. This is people wanting to drive feminism and social justice and its proponents out of the space of gaming on the internet. And GamerGate facilitates that. While I agree with this to some extent, seems to me that the separation was done because of the ongoing effort to eject it and because it is known that trolls are targeting both sides, which is not unreasonable. If anything, I say he should have separated things even more and split GG into the moderates' and 'anti-SJ' or whatever like the excellent slate article he linked But, again, the focus is not on the pro-GG side but on critiquing "his own" or whatever. Hence why there's only really comments from pro-GG. Deliciously ironic comments eOriginally Posted by Sanderw The post fundamentally doesn't actually engage with the criticism of GamerGate, but rather with a straw man of that criticism, which makes it a useful post to reinforce the narrative GamerGate tells itself, but not all that useful as analysis. Hev, that sounds familiar ACTUALLY IT'S ABOUT ETHICS N VIDEOGAMES JOURNALISM GREAT WHITE SHARKS OPPOSE EATING BOATS ALREADY REPORTED THAT OTHERSHARK TO THE COAST GUARD YOU PROBABL BIT MOURSELFIN HALF Last edited by PlanHex; 11-06-2014at 11:11 PM

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