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![Gamergate (harassment campaign) Article Talk From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For other uses, see Gamergate (disambiguation). Gamergate or GamerGate (GG)[¹] was a loosely organized misogynistic online harassment campaign and a right-wing backlash against feminism, diversity, and progressivism in video game culture. [2][³] It was conducted using the hashtag "#Gamergate" primarily in 2014 and 2015.[1][4][5][6] Beginning in August 2014, Gamergate targeted women in the video game industry, most notably feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian and video game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, among others.[7][8][9][10][11] The harassment campaign included doxing, r--- threats, and death threats.[12][13][14] Gamergate proponents ("Gamergaters") stated that they were a social movement, but lacked well-defined goals, a coherent message, and leaders, making Gamergate difficult to define.[15][16][17] Gamergaters claimed to promote ethics in video games journalism, claimed to be protecting the "gamer" identity, and opposed what they asserted as "political correctness" in video games.[18][19][20][21][22] Read Date Target Gamergate, online harassment campaign in 2014-15 that targeted women in the video game industry. The attacks were attributed largely to white male right-wing gamers who railed against the rise and influence of women and feminism in the industry. Gamergate served as a recruiting tool for the growing alt-right movement and helped spur the online “Pizzagate" conspiracy theory, which soon spawned the wider QAnon conspiracy movement. …………………………....…..……….…..... Attack type Victims Motive View source Inquiry XA 28 languages ✓ Perpetrators Internet trolls, particularly from 4chan, Internet Relay Chat, and 8chan View history Tools ✓ Gamergate August 2014 - 2015 Women in the video game industry See all media Online harassment campaign Zoë Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, and others Gamergaters created conspiracy theories falsely accusing Quinn of an unethical relationship with video game journalist Nathan Grayson.[23][24][25] More broadly, they alleged unethical collusion between the press and feminists, progressives, and social critics.[17][26] [27] These claims were widely dismissed as trivial, conspiracy theories, baseless, or unrelated to actual issues of ethics in gaming and journalism.[28] [29][30] Gamergate supporters frequently denied that the harassment took place, falsely claiming it to be manufactured by the victims.[31][32] Misogyny anti-feminism anti- progressivism FBI investigation Gamergate has been described as a culture war over cultural diversification, artistic recognition, feminism in video games, social criticism in video games, and the social identity of gamers.[28][33] [34] [35] Many supporters of Gamergate opposed the increasing influence of feminism and so-called "social justice warriors" on video game culture. [2][36] Gamergate led figures both inside and outside the gaming industry to focus on methods of addressing online harassment, ways to minimize harm, and prevent similar events. [37] [38] [39] [40] Gamergate has been viewed as a contributor to the alt-right and other right- wing movements.[21][41] Video game developer Brianna Wu](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/002/691/215/331.png "What the actual f--- are we supposed to do about this")
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![This article reads like a résumé. To my eye, it would look more Wiki-ike if the list of references and sources at the bottom of the page were replaced with in-line citations to the specific source of each chunk of information. For example, where does this q uote come from? Think of & 'culture' as a set of content assets' describing the look, feel, and sound of a specific place and time Phiar (talk) 1942, 16 November 2011 (UTC) The reason it seems like a resume is because the person writing it .Navanax" is Kate Edwards herself. I Also I'm likely to be IP banned because I pointed out the bias, so good luck and my your gods go with you. 14.202.44.49(alk) 02:42, 10 March 2015 (UTC) Atcle Tk archive.t : Revision histo srowse hisnocy From year land earlienx 2301 Donate to wikipeda滷 For any verson listed below. click on its date to view It For more help, see Help Page history and Help Edit summary. Page view Help ·icur l prev," " ocur i prev10 ·oeur l prev10 18:59. 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![[added on reflection] Let me also say on other thing. There are a number of us in academia who love games, care about games, and believe games are important. We have been working for years to make games a legitimate tool for education and for study, and we were making progress. People were starting to take games seriously. And then came GamerGate. I have seen the careful progress of a decade come crashing down, and now, when I go to talk about games to industry groups or fellow academics, GamerGate always comes up as an example of how terrible and immature people who play games are. It will take years and years to repair the damage, and it is absolutely devastating to the serious study and application of the power of games to real problems. We are going to have trouble getting grants, getting foundations to fund games, and getting people to take us seriously. It is devastating and makes me very sad.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/927/545/2ab.png_large "Humanities stop researching games?")
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![So, it appears somone actually took the time to inform GorillaWarfare that there might be a certain conflict of issue going on. Hm, let's take a look; Conflict of Interest warning (from her Talk page btw) U Helo, Gonllwartare we welcome your contnbutions to w kipedia butぽyou are amiated wth some of the people places or things you have wrnen atout n the article 1[16]吼you may have a confict of interest or close connecton to the stect All ednors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view content polky People who are very close to a subject often save a distoned view of & which may cause them to inadvertenty edit in ways that make the artcle ether too flattering or too disparaging People wth a close connection to a subject are not absolute ly prohbited from edting about that subject but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as ittie bias as possible If you are very close to a subject, here are some ways you can reduce the risk of probiems Avoid or exercise great eaution when editing or creating articles related to you, your organizaion, or its compettors, as wel as projects and products they are invoved ·Avoid linking to ne wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see wikipedia spam) * Exercise great caution so that you ㆀ not accidentaty breach wipedas content pokies please tamiarze you settim relevant content pocies and guideines especialy those pertaining to neutral point of vie獵vennabity of info mator, and autobiographies Note that wikipeda's terms of use require disclosure of your emplayer clent, and afilation with respect to any contribution for which you recelve, or expect to receive For information on hou to contribute to wikipedia when you have a confict of interest please see our frequently asked questions for organzaions. Thank you If you do not recuse yourself, I wil be forced to put you up for discussion on the WP CON. 091500 (talk) 1229, 20 January 2015 (UTC) Well, eventually, she removed it. Or did she? Let's take a deeper look into things . (cur l prev) *(curl prev)ⓜ 13 58.20 Janu-015wthEv So maara-aluront nbsL (34.482 bytes) (-2.903) (rw) (undo) 1300, 20 January 2015 An meeOT(takl contribs) m (37 385 bytes)(+2.577) (Subst ngtep ates furo , see User Anom eBOTAtos rw? Oh, yea...a rewrite! Oh, neat! NorthbySouthBaranof is going to help clean things up on GorillaWarfare's talk page. Let's take a look.. User page Talk Read Edt View history User talk:GorillaWarfare: Difference between revisions From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Revision as of 13:00, 20 January 2015 (edit) (lak contribs) m (substing templates (th 40)) See user Anomeet ato Line 211 htps hwitet.com/mollyde This] is my Twiter account htpwww.mollywhite.net this] is my hitps itwiter.comlmolly0d7 This] is my Twiter account Itpwww.molywhite net this] is my 怡mall-og 53, 29 January 2015 IUTC) small- 083.20Jauary 2015 IUTC) Oh. .he of Interest warming rem moved it Fde Information sg25palt intormaton icen Hello Gorllawartare We Wikipedia, but iyou are anaed with some of the people, places or things u have wridan aboutl in tha artidle cieaa conmection to he subject Al aditoes ane required to comply with Mkipadias wispediaNsural peint of viewautral point of view! content policy People who are very dos+ 33ubed ofen h sastaned .ew at ㎡ich may cause tiem to inaden nty edit was that make the atde iter too fatering or too dsparaging. 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For informaton on how to contrioute to Widgeda when you have a confict of Interest please see TMkipedia FADIOrganicatonslour frequently asked questens for organicatonsl Thank pull t Mosplusero esol luser tak00600tail) 13:00, 20 January 2015 UT㎝4- -THE FOLLOWING CATEGORY SOULD BE RENOVEO WHEN THE USER吟BLOCKED, OR OR THIS TEMPLATE HAS BEEN IN IT旧DEODED THAT THS PLACE FOR A WHILE WITH NO ACTIONICategory Usertak pagea with contict of interest "you do not rease yourse", ' w" be forced to put you uptor di5ai55aon on te pPcon屯 TUser 091500095001 CUsertalk:091500talkD 1229, 20 January 2015 (UTC) Wait, is this the same NorthBySouth involved in the Gamergate Arbitration thingy? I wonder how NorthbySouth and GorillaWarfare are connected. I wonder... NorthBy 3.1) NorthBySoutrBaranof (taik contribs logs edt iner log block log) is indefinitely pronibiied from making any edit about, and from editing any page relating to. (0) the Gamergale controversy or (1) gender or sexuaity all broadly construed Oppose 3.2) NorthBySouthBaranot (tak-contribs logs-edit riter log-block log) is indetnitely prohibited from making any edit about, and from eding any page relating to the Gamergate controversy broadly construed Oppose3 Gontawarfare k) 2209 21 3.3) NorthBySoutrBaranof (taik contries logs edt iner log block log) is indefinitely prohibited from making any edit abour, and from edting any page relating to, (a) Gamergate, (o) any gender-related dispute or controversy, (c) people associated with (a) or (b). al broadly construed. These restrictons may be appealed to the Committee only ater 12 montns have elapsed from the closing of this case Oppose 2 Amough this wording is the best of the UTC) But wait, is that conflict of interest thing still going on? Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussionedi This message is being sent to inform you that there is currenty a discussion at Wikipedia Contict of interestiNoticeboard regardng a possible confict of interest incident in which you may be involved Thank you 0950。(tak) 1744 21 January 2015 (UTC) And, it's been remaved from that noticeboard as a discussion that was not appropriate for that discussion board So that's one annoyance you dont have to deal with today yey! -Nat Gertler (Jak) 19.15, 21 January 2015 (UTC) GorillaWarfare Resolved: | Not a mater for this board Jytdog (a10 17 48, 21 January 2015 (UTC GonliaWartare (tak contribs logs edit Titer log block log) wikipeda Admiristrator Gorllawartare is a fervent opponent of GamerGate, yet is now tasked with puting sanctions on alegedly pro-GamerGate sockpuppets, WP SPAs, etc She should recuse herseif from this and any feminst and GamerGale re ated Abritrations See aso her talk page for more informabon.example: https Men wikipeda.org windex php?titiewikipedia Arbitration/Requests-Case GamerGate Proposed-decision&diffsprev&cidid-643335038 09'500 (alk) 17:42 21 January 2015 (UTC) This ts not a matter of WPCOl 21 January 2015 (UTC) we define tat n 'YP This would be a mater to discuss at WPAN, and I doubt you wil get tar tere But that is the place Jytdog (talk) 17 48, n tct rs taken on the character of wkroundng now. This needs to stop Fut Pert 17:50, 21 January 2015 (UTC) That is aso a matter for a dfterent board-for that I would suggest WP AN or you can see if 09i500 posts at AN, in which case WP BCOMERANG would likely come into play There is nothing more to do on this here. Jytdog (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC) outdent mutiple ecit conficts) An AN or ANI post about GorllaWarfare would aso be the wrong venue I suggest dropping the mater Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:56,21 January 2015 UTC) How is it not a matter of WP.COr? It perfecty s what is described in "actual confict of interest Gorilawarfare has a certain judgement And he/ she is now able to exertise that judgement on others. Rest of comments Idont understand Ihave followed the Wilipedia poliky and guidelines in all cases, but there was a case in which somebody removeda template, whic h was bad manner. I have not acted upon t WP BOOMERANG does not apply I don't even have a dspute wth this person since I have never been able to edt the GamerGate wikipedia page. I ust think it's outrageous that something ike this can happen. This is exactly a confict of interest as described here and in the real word 091500 talk) 18 13, 21 January you will see at the top of tis page, ths is a noticeboard for discussing Col eding of articles It is not a place for reviewing involvements in arbtrabon. Nat Gerter (talk) 18:27,21 January 2015 (UTC) Resolved: Not a matter for this board. Jytdog (talk) 17:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC))](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/901/316/ddd.png "Wikipedia is corrupt as f---")
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